Neither ended up being a good fit for War of the Spark , so we tried various other mechanics
It's a solid horse anyway on it's own with all the horsey buffs, and if you get lucky and pull these two with one of the clone/changeling creatures in this deck, you can get a pretty rockin' army of indestructable 5/5/ horses going
(Each clashing player reveals the top card of their library, then puts that card on the top or bottom
For some people, it's synonymous with old or vintage, and goes back to the earliest parts of the game
While Liers ability says Spells cant be countered, it doesnt say anything about abilities
Last but not least, Commander might be all about your leader, but RPGs are often about your party as a whole, and WOTC wont leave the supporting casts of these games hanging